Wednesday, October 20, 2010

Tricksters V Gods - Satanism V The Rest

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The Pedophocracy as Sacrament

Spare a thought for Dave McGowan. It seems he's being done over by the IRS. It was bound to happen of course - anyone as good at calling bullshit as McGowan is was always going to cop it. Still, it could be worse, he could have been hacked to death at a ranch outside of Matamoros. I touch wood/stone/steel, and God forbid and all that, but as Dave himself has made only too clear none of that saved all those others. And those thousands, as they died screaming, did they call out to their Gods? And did their killers call out to theirs?


In McGowan's discussion of serial killers / mind-control
/ the pedophocracy it seems that satanism is never far away. Struggling to think now, but is there a single case in amongst all of that monkey business that doesn't involve satanism? We call it the pedophocracy, and not without reason, but it's also a fact that any number of those involved in it were perfectly happy having sex with adults. Just ask Brice Taylor. Hmm... could we have been sidetracked by the sex? What if we've confused a sacrament for the church? Imagine if we were all het up about a cult of, I don't know... 'confessionalists', a great number of whom seem to have strong links to the Catholic Church. We swap stories about various wicked episodes of confession: rent-boy confession, confession-for-hire, confessiongate etc. etc. but the church? We don't take that too seriously. There are stories of course, but it's all bullshit...

Can you dig it? So let's turn it around again. If one was to argue that the paedophilia of the pedophocracy was merely a sacrament within a satanist totality, provided you cracked enough jokes and winked at the adjudicator you could win that debate no problems. And that might be all very well in the debating club (from hell!) but in the real world no one wants to know. It's bad enough that we're ruled by sexual preverts - but devil worshippers? Honest to God satanists? Bloody hell, there's no end to that. Whether we go so far as to clap our hands over our ears and yell LA-LA-LA-LA-LA or not, either way it's just too bloody unlikely.

Besides which we need merely read the newspapers. Satanism is just teenagers having a lark. Except that it's not just teenagers, and they're not having a lark neither. It's true that any number of them thought they were having a lark, right up until they got a knife in their neck and then had their brains smashed out with a piece of concrete - "Gosh, I didn't expect a satanist execution." - and whilst it might have come as a surprise to the dead guy it was just business as usual for his friend who introduced him to it. Apart from the bit about ending up dead, it's what his parents did for him, and theirs for them, and on and on back into history.


Fine, fine, satanism, whatever. But just because people are actually getting sacrificed with the full gory art-direction, that doesn't mean that it's real. Okay so maybe it is real, like Catholicism is real, but there isn't actually anything to it and when they sacrifice people and eat their hearts and lips and fingers etc nothing actually happens. It's just them being deluded or something. When they summon the devil he doesn't actually appear... does he?

The Exorcist and a 300mm lens

The Catholic Encyclopaedia on exorcism: "Superstition ought not to be confounded with religion, however much their history may be interwoven, nor magic, however white it may be, with a legitimate religious rite." But they would say that wouldn't they? They'd have to, otherwise... where's their monopoly?


I know it's only a movie but even within that understanding The Exorcist has some very revealing moments. Keep in mind that apart from the two stars Jason Miller as Karras and Max von Sydow as Merrin, all the priests in it were real priests with each scoring a dual credit as technical consultant. As such The Exorcist gets the Roman Catholic tick of approval. Besides which, between Ratzinger performing an exorcism right there in the Vatican, and that priest in high school who got all flustered and weird when he caught me reading The Exorcist under my desk in the middle of the class about exorcism (a complete fluke, I swear), within the church you won't find a single person prepared to declare that demonic possession is bullshit.

So, it's not bullshit - but - within Catholicism the rite of Exorcism is a truly lonely orphan. Whilst the New Testament tells of Jesus performing an exorcism, really the Church would love to see the back of the whole caper. As is, the Office of the Exorcist always stood outside the sacrament of Holy Orders, the act was never considered a sacrament, and Vatican II saw the church do its damnedest to disappear the whole thing completely. Let's imagine exorcism as some unkillable strain of underground travelling bamboo that constantly bursts out and ruins the otherwise beautiful symmetry of the church's perfect formal garden. If only it didn't exist! And if only they could ignore it! But sadly, it does, and they can't.


Back to the movie now, my favourite scene comes towards the end just after the first round of the exorcism proper. It consists merely of Father Karras and Father Merrin both somewhat shell-shocked, sitting on the stairs outside the room. Apart from the terrific performances and the immaculate composition and lighting, it contains a gem of a line: says Karras, "Why this girl? It doesn't make any sense." To which I would reply, "EXACTLY!" But I can do that because, faced with a choice between two mutually exclusive things, a demon-possessed girl and a religion that says she shouldn't exist, I have no preference. Unlike Karras, I'm happy to plump for whichever one makes the most sense.

Merrin of course, as the man not given to doubt, offers up some waffle perfectly designed to console a predisposed fellow as long as he doesn't think about it. And unsurprisingly perhaps, William Friedkin, in what must easily be the most tedious director's commentary ever offered on DVD, does the same. It's some guff about faith, and being tested, and whatever: blah, blah, blah. It's the kind of rubbish people are forced to come up with to avoid the inevitable conclusion that perhaps they're bullshit.


Or to put it another way, in amongst everything the church has to offer there's nothing that isn't supposition. Every single thing they got, all of it, is just somebody's say-so. God, Jesus, the Trinity, heaven, hell, the devil, angels, all of it - nothing more than the word of man. The gig is: we take their word for it and then find out if it's true or not when we die. Fingers crossed. Actually, let's rewind. When I said 'everything' before, I should have said, everything except for demonic possession. In amongst it all, the only thing that's truly tangible and can reach out and grab you by the throat, the only aspect of supernature that comes in 3D cinemascope is demonic possession. You can see why they'd hate it can't you? Its unarguable realness makes them look like bullshit artists.

The Exorcist and an 24mm lens

Never mind Catholicism, let's step back and widen our view. Let's misuse that line from Dire Straits, when two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong, albeit with 'God' (take your pick) standing in for Jesus. Following that logic, in this world of infinite disparate religions, each with their own version of the-world-is-thus, at least one of them has to be bullshit. That's just me being generous you understand. Most people simply by being a member of a religion would be forced to agree with the statement - every religion is false except for mine. Not that they'd care for their religion reduced to a probability, but with 'every religion' equating to a truly staggering number, and 'mine' equalling 'one', the likelihood of any randomly chosen religion being true makes picking the correct lotto numbers look like a doddle. Ayah, it's Pascal's wager arse-about. Never mind!


As for those fuzzy types keen to avoid specifics and preferring to find some vague spiritual commonality between all religions, I'll put it to you that the only hard-and-fast, cannot-be-denied thing that all religions have in common (apart from gods who are always elsewhere), is demons, possession, and exorcism. No expert me, but it seems this nasty little hairball is the universal gig - Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Animists, whomever - exorcism seems to take place amongst every people, on every continent, and for as long as records exist. Says I, it's the only unarguable thing every religion has in common.

Speaking of which, let's wind the clock back. To be honest, religion = priests = those with a wee bit more knowledge than the unwashed masses who feed them, provide them with somewhere nice to live, and hell... suck their dick, why not? It's good to be a priest. And way back when, what with science not having been invented, there were any number of things a priest could know about, or claim to know about, that would place him in an exalted position: why the sun comes up; why the wind blows; and why that white stuff that comes out of my willy has to be swallowed by a virgin. But never mind the gags (or the gagging, ahem), without a shadow of a doubt, in amongst this plethora of nonsense would have been the cold hard certainty of demons and possession.

I bring this up because it's tempting to argue that what with demons being real, and what with priests being the only ones capable of dealing with them, that this must speak to the priest's credibility: demons are real; priests really deal with them; thus the priest's knowledge must be real also. Sorry folks but I'm going to call bullshit on that one too. Exorcisms often as not take months. Imagine a rain-maker who did his jiggery-pokery over and over, and over and over, and over and over, and then eventually, months later, it rained. Um, okay, how impressed should we be? Press a for very, b for somewhat, and c for get fucked!


Ha! Welcome to Catholic exorcism! But don't take my word for it - I'm just taking William Friedkin at his. In his excruciating DVD commentary he says that there is in fact nothing special about the phrase that Karras and Merrin repeatedly shout at the demon, The power of Christ compels you. Apparently exorcists are instructed to repeat any phrase that seems to have an effect. I'll admit that it's unlikely, but if someone popped into the room saying, 'Hey, pull my finger!' and the demon recoiled then that would be the ideal thing to yell at it. Or to put it another way, it's whatever works and Rites of the Exorcism be damned. Best I can make out, no religion has any idea what they're doing. It's all hit or miss, and the main thing is to keep a stiff upper lip, pay no attention to the demon's lies, and be resolute in telling it to get out. That's all there is to it. And yeah, it could take months. The only reason the priests score the gig is because they long ago declared that all things supernatural belonged to them, and if they shy away from it then - shrugs shoulders - "What good are they?"

Says I, the orphan nature of exorcism in every religion is due to the fact that in any battle between a trickster / demon who's real, and a church built with nothing but the word of man, only one of them has their fingers crossed.

The Nihilist's Dilemma

So what am I saying? You'd half wonder if I wasn't declaring myself a Satanist. If demons are the only things that are real, and all the churches are bullshit, then I must be a satanist. No?


Hardly. I'm just a guy who read too much over at Rigorous Intuition to walk away thinking nothing of it. Besides which, I like to describe myself as a nihilist. Okay, so do I believe in tricksters or don't I? If I don't believe then I have to declare all those otherwise sober and honest people who've encountered them to be liars. I don't think so - they and their stories were possessed of too much credibility for me to be so flip. Besides which it's hard to argue with the 70,000 people at Fatima who saw the sun turn to silver and fly around like a UFO. Speaking of which, and apropos the above discussions of exorcism, no surprises that the Catholic Church responded to the whole Fatima affair as if they wished it hadn't happened. That's the problem with tricksters. They're too real to ignore and too unpredictable to shoehorn into a doctrine.

Why don't I lay it on the line, define what we're dealing with, and then do the full circle trick, and bring it back to the beginning. Which is to say, let's see if that doesn't tell us something about the relationship between satanism and the pedophocracy / death cult.

Let's just start with the basis that demons / tricksters are real but merely in and of themselves. Let's not plug them into any religious world-is-thus. Do that and you instantly enter the realm of Father Karras and It-doesn't-make-any-sense. Thus we view them as a non-denominational forces of nature. They just are. And never mind me concentrating on The Exorcist. It just happened to be on the telly with me deciding to make it the vehicle for the discussion. Anyone who's hung at Rigorous Intuition will know that whatever these entities are they come in every shape, size, and description: aliens, dwarves, elves, pixies, leprechauns, kitsune, coyote, djinns, demons, poltergeists... honestly, the list is endless. They exist like rainfall exists and tuppence for anything beyond that.


So, what are we talking about exactly? Rather than dwell on the differences, as per usual it's best to gun for commonalities.
- they are tricksters with a spectacular propensity to lie.
- they are not from 'here' and may come and go.
- they are not serene and are possessed of human-like egotistical attributes, even pointless and perverse ones.
- they take advantage of the young, the weak-willed, the foolish.
- they are possessed of powers and abilities that are greater than those of any individual human but this fails in the face of people acting in concert.
- they may be summoned and likewise sent away.
- they are (Mythago-Wood-style) empowered by belief, which is to say attention, ie. come the day everyone refuses to have anything to do with them, they will be gone.
- they are not an avatar of any religion, and anything they say to the contrary is merely a manifestation of the first point in the list.
So! Have I rolled over and become a believer in all things supernature? Fat chance. I'm a Buddhist of the zen variety who wishes only to cast off all desire. What could these creatures offer me? Oneness with the universe? Not bloody likely. Besides which, is there a shortcut for nirvana? And more to the point why would one believe them even if they were to offer it? If I desire nothing from them and likewise give them nothing, neither fear, nor reverence, nor awe, then not only is our business done, but it will never start. A fig for them.

At long last satanism

And then there's satanism. Unlike every other major religion satanism embraces the tricksters. The punters in a Catholic mass, say, can spend an hour and see nothing very remarkable. Satanists on the other hand...
According to Ohio vs. Estella Sexton, February 13, 1995, 1995 Ohio App. Lexis 1413, one of the children stated that family members were involved in satanic rituals, invoking spirits, and "baby thingies and things like that." “We will hold hands ... it mostly takes place after my grandmother died. They will bring her spirit back. Sometimes they bring devils back. They come out of the table and you see them floating around in the room ... we all hold hands while it’s happening.”


Has anyone reading here ever seen anything like that in any church they ever went to? No, me neither. The best it ever got for me was choir practice in an ancient church I wandered into in the middle of Venice many years ago - the acoustics were mind-buggering. And then there was that time with a gamelan orchestra accompanying four ethereal women doing a traditional dance in a temple in Ayutthaya. And I nearly fainted once from the power of a two hundred voice choir doing Carmina Burana at the Sydney Opera House. Oh wait, that's not even religious now that I think about it. But! Had I gone to a black mass, a good and proper one that didn't involve me as human sacrifice, I suspect I'd have been odds-on to see some truly spooky shit.

It doesn't mean anything of course. Yes, it is supernature but that doesn't mean it can't be a bullshit at the same time. A supernatural dog and a supernatural pony is still a dog and pony show. It'll impress the mug punters but in the grand scheme of things it isn't worth a pinch of shit. Supernature entities are not so different to human performers: if the audience has no time for them their balls will shrivel to raisins. The magic? I snap my fingers. Or I turn the house lights up. Either one will do.

And never mind me, here's as neat a summary of the real world power of satanists as you'll find anywhere-
March 25, 1998, MEXICO CITY, MEXICO, Elio Hernandez Rivera, David Serna Valdes and Sergio Martinez Salinas, Sentences for Murder, Conspiracy, Drug Trafficking and Weapons Violations. The group thought their self-styled religion, which drew from the Caribbean Santeria and the African Palo Mayombe traditions, would render them bulletproof and protect them from police and rival gang members which was the rationale for why they “sacrificed” Mark Kilroy and others.
Yeah, so much for that. And they only had to slay thirteen people to figure out it was crap.


That of course is why the occult is hidden. In fact occult means hidden. There are those who'd argue that magic is somehow naturally hidden and that's why it's right one should spend one's life searching. I don't know about that. What if I said that any hiding was done as a deliberate act by the dog-and-pony-show proprietors keen not to lose their livelihood? If it ain't hidden, there ain't no show. "Please don't take away my dog and my pony! Without them I'll have to work for a living!"

Now factor in James 'The Amazing' Randi, famous debunker, paedophilia accusee, and board member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. Sorry Amazing, but you hang with those fuckers you get tarred with that brush and that's all there is to it. So there's Amazing with a sign over his head proclaiming satanist spook affiliations, all the while running around debunking everyone else's magic. Sure. That's makes sense doesn't it? God forbid the wrong people should avail themselves of the tricksters.

Oh, and Satan? He's bullshit, just another lie, one that suits not just the trickster but the dog-and-pony bullshit artists who want to piggyback their way into being our masters. Thus, if one was actually to encounter Satan it's only because the trickster has settled on that as the thing we're most likely to be impressed by. Remember Satan appearing to Jesus in the New Testament? What if I said he wasn't Satan at all but just another trickster talking to him in a language he knew he'd understand? Otherwise, should anyone ever encounter a trickster there's only one thing to keep in mind: believe nothing about what they say, or how they appear. Nothing. And then you tell them to fuck off and you turn on your heel and leave.


But to hell with the dog and pony. The truth is that the heavies at the pointy end of the satanist pyramid know that it's all bullshit. The only part of it that counts is keeping it all hidden. Provided you can keep your shit hidden, you can walk on water. Believe it or not, I've done it. And I built the rig myself.

And so, the tricksters are pissweak nothings that, in the right secluded setting with the lighting just so, function as a cheap trick to impress the credulous and trick them / trip them across the line. Then, once in and up to their necks in blood and illicit sex - belief, disbelief, it no longer matters - they cannot leave. And the beauty of it is, it's all non-denominational - Micks, Proddos, Jews, Mormons, whomever. And here we are scratching our heads as to whose shitfight is this? The beauty of satanism is, we'll never figure it out. 'Hidden' is the core of their DNA. And there you have satanism: the perfect recruitment vehicle, the perfect corruption mechanism, the perfect don't-argue compliance enforcer, the perfect thing-that-doesn't-exist. And all piggy-backed on a low-rent magic act that in and of itself is good for nothing. Think about it - if the magic was powerful why do they skulk around in the dark? Fact is - it has no power, not beyond it's ability to impress dupes. Dupes = slaves, and slaves are things worth having.

Black and White, Babies and Bathwater

I understand that I might be accused of... um, 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'. ie. as in all things, there is good and bad and so it is with supernatural entities. Thus by rejecting all supernatural entities we miss out on that which is good. The key word here is 'good' - 'good' as in a baby is good and thus to throw it out would be 'bad'.


Let's stop. We'll stop because the above metaphor is bullshit insofar as it's a classic case of begging the question. And no, I'm not 'prompting the question', rather I'm 'asking a question possessed of an assumption' and God knows 'baby with the bath water' is precisely that. The assumption is that an encounter with a spirit who is not a trickster is inherently good, good like a baby is good, unimpeachable like motherhood is unimpeachable. Yeah, says I? Bullshit.

Frankly we'd be closer to the mark if we were to compare it to throwing out the good bath water with the bad bath water. And sure, anyone hearing such a daft non-expression would rightly shake their head since it doesn't make any sense. Besides which, bathing is good isn't it? Exactly, we're still begging the question. So! Let's chuck out the baby and the bath water, certainly as an expression, and come up with a new one. Thus, me declaring that one should have nothing to do with any supernatural entities is like 'throwing out the white chess pieces with the black ones'. This will never catch on as a phrase but it's not meant to.

Rather it's a discussion of what's the point. Who in their right mind would declare that, yes, black chess pieces are bad but that white ones are good? Why not just skip chess altogether? Haven't we better things to do? And for the sake of the chess fans out there let me declare that this is an allegorical chess. Instead of being a pleasant hour long diversion, it stands for what's-in-it-for-me, with 'me' as an entity opposed to 'them'.



Forget what's-in-it-for-me. Imagine yourself in the world, and all without intermediaries. Well, not beyond the wind in your face, that is. No gods, no devils, no heaven, no hell, and yep, above us only sky. Is that too terrible? That would work wouldn't it? In the presence of nature what need is there for supernature? Apart from selfish reasons? Why would one look out on this temporal world with its infinite intensity and say they want more? ...that they want to look beneath? ...that there must be something beyond this? What is there beneath a crested bronzewing apart from the sound of its wings beating the air? Such a magical sound ...and no magic in it! Me, I rejoice. Why the hunt for belief with the world so full already?

A tuppence for tricksters, their handlers, hell, all those goddam priests, and everyone else with their magic act world-is-thus. They're completely superfluous the lot of them and exist only in, of, and for themselves. Like the non-god / non-trickster Buddha said - there is only here and now. Anything beyond that is bullshit.

68 comments:

Edo said...

Good to read some classic Nobody.

I saw this and liked it very much.
http://tinyurl.com/28skyh4

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nobody said...

Hey PG, Yay! I do love some opposition. PG everything you said is true. The only question is, what took you so long? I figured it was only a matter of time before you let rip and went nuts here. Honestly, as if a fellow who considers himself a knight templar and true Catholic of the Hutton Gibson variety was ever going to have anything in common with me. What were you thinking of? What was I? Anyway mate, lovely to have you stop in.

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BTW I apologise to everyone for the quality of this piece. I ran out of time and subsequently it's full of glaring errors. "Sure is!" says PG.

Yoroshiku

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slozo said...

Nice long write-up, Nobody. Yes, a bit disjointed in a couple of spots, but we missed ya so all is forgiven.

I don't buy your argument that spirits/demons exist, seeing as how it has as much proof as Jesus existing. All the connections to perceived phenomenon are placed automatically in already strong belief systems, otherwise, we as humans can't comprehend the truly weird, awesome and strange properly. What I am saying is, I find the whole spirits/demons thing as bullshit as some people performing miracles by the grace of god . . . which is to say, this or that may have happened, but we humans are the ones that labelled them as being whatever we like.

But that's just my humble opinion . . . I think in this regard, you should take your own advice on discerning bullshit from potential reality.

nobody said...

Excellent! I would love it if everyone piled in and said yay or nay on their opinion of spooky shit. Is it bullshit or is it real? Don't be shy just let rip.

Me. I've never seen anything. And until I went to Rigorous Intuition I'd have said that it was all hooey. But Geoff Wells turned me around. He can be quite convincing.

Anon said...

Belief in the idea of both good and bad spirits is very widespread.

- Aangirfan

nobody said...

Thanks Aang... what would we do without you... smiley, winky, tongue in cheeky...

Also I didn't mention that show Tony Robinson and the Paranormal wherein he and a sceptical chick went about looking into the reality of spooky shit. Did anyone see it? I watched very carefully and was appalled to see any number of cons and tricks in there, and all on the part of the debunkers.

Some of it was so bad that it comfortably qualified as 'an insult to my intelligence'. The worst was the dismissal of a psychic who during a seance accurately predicted the sinking of a Royal Navy ship. (I can't recall precisely since it was a year or so ago). The programme's angle was to show how a single feature of a seance can be faked, and thus she was fake too. And none of them batted an eyelid. Appalling. And there was tons of such strawman monkey business. If the sceptics' case was so strong why were they cheating?

nobody said...

PS to the article:

I just read a thing over at the revelations site and found two cracking quotes:

In a recent issue of the Jewish publication "Freurid von Israel" the editor deplores the fact that the modern Jewish youth seems to have disrespect towards God and his laws. He says, "the Godless Jew seems now to be the master of all Jewish powers. Israel runs the danger of becoming a Satanical race."

And the following from the Protocols:

18. Overthrow all monarchies and substitute republics for them; in so far as possible fill important state offices with persons who are involved in some unlawful affair and who will, from fear of being exposed, remain our obedient servants.

Whether non-Jewish satanism was begun on this basis, or was steered towards it, or just naturally evolved into it, I reckon if functions on precisely that basis.

I hope no one is confused about me thinking the top dogs are Satanist. Between: satanists allowing Jews to own every goddamn thing (the money supply included) in order to take the blame; and Jews using non-Jewish satanists as some variety of blood-spattered house niggers (kind of thing), I ain't plumping for the former.

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aferrismoon said...

Hi

Read your comments at Aangirfan to do with the Vicsim.

If u have time would u look at these photos from Madrid and if u have any comment it would be appreciated though I realise that library time is limited

http://terror.fredogfrihed.dk/Madrid%20-%20March%2011%202004/madrid031104.htm

Satan seems like the anthill or beehive. Breed and Discard though continue existing.

Its like comapnies today , they exist longer than the humans in them. Were we to not go to work they wouldn't exist, but somehow they/it tricks many into going to work ,say, in a plastic flowers shop or 90% of the shite-an in the Mall/Maul.
How many women's shoe shops does the world need.
More More Mor - like Mr. Creosote

cheers

cheers

grassapelli said...

I've read that a man who loves God and is truly chaste, meaning not involved with lust in any way, enters the room where a person is possessed, the evil spirit must leave immediately.

Of course, that's like saying, if a unicorn enters the room...

Penny said...

Nobody:

From where were you inspired?

I will have to read this again.

Who is PG?

There seems to be some missing commentary, so I am not getting the picture, I guess?

kikz said...

hmmmwhere to start.

polarized spirits/non physical entities…good or bad?
confining this headscratch to our 3rd dimensional existence.

firstly, if they exist, they are energy, like everything else they vibrate.. rate/frequency of vibration renders form.

our discernment of them - depends on their rate of vibrational frequency and humanity’s sensory organs’ and/or technologically enhanced abilities to discern them, aka the electromagnetic light/sound spectra…via wavelength.

as far as science (repeated observable events) is concerned… there are no known monopoles w/in nature, all is duality in this plane of existence. if there is one, it is accompanied by (irrespective of physical distance) its polar opposite. as ea/pole must have its counterpart, this contrast and matters’ movement/oscillation in state from attraction to repulsion accounts for the material universe. neither good nor bad, both poles are portions of the whole.
manmade monopoles are very short lived, and exist only under certain conditions, I wonder if science, is mistaken as to their seeming existence by its inability (to date) to find/discern the monopole’s opposite?


as to sentience; a possibility - but what source generates the energy (thought) to sustain even limited consciousness? matter. the higher the organization of the matter the higher possibility/probability for sentience.
I would think any sentience they may possess is simply a feedback loop, directly to/frm their originator‘s mental energies and is not innate.

the exercise of consciousness is will. to exercise that will, something must be able to discern conditions w/in an environment, to discern conditions - sensory organs/apparatus of some sort must exist, all that must be fed by some generator w/in matter. they are dependent for the their survival on their originators, or others that have internalized a ‘belief’ in them.


I concur w/others’ hypotheses; they are thought (activated energy) born from our consciousness and are attracted & sustained by our belief (repeatedly generated thoughts, distinct vibrational frequencies) of them and exhibit qualities according to our polarization of thought on them, good/bad. golem.. for lack of a more appropriate term.

I concur, w/you noby – the golem – are like the godz of old; if the vibrational frequency of their (physical or non) manifestation (thought) is not maintained, they are motes in the wind, or diminished in power/ability to manifest/interact - to the point of dispersal of sentience/absorption into the ambient environment, joining the innate vibrational resonance/energies of objects in nature, rocks, trees, etc.

as to these thought forms abilities to ‘possess’ or parasitize another humans' body/mind energy … I guess that is dependent on the strength of the ‘golem’ via the strength of will of its originator(s) - and the weakness/strength of the ‘will’ of the intended victim/host.

I’ve read elsewhere, and applying ‘law of attraction’ …that unless there is a vibrational match to begin with.. the ‘idea’ of such an entity and its abilities (belief) must already be present w/in a prospective host/vic – or there is no possibility of parasitism by the ‘golem’ or its originator(s). the (belief) vibration must already be active in that individual for it to occur.

the other thing that all religions express, a deity…
the priest class of all institutional religions are perfect practitioners of the hegelian dialectic. first promoting the idea that one’s ‘freewill’ can be subverted by invisible goulie-golems, then offering the cure by ‘exorcism’ of them – thereby subverting one’s freewill to the priests, church and its deity.


rough, but it’ll do….

kikz said...

sorry about the removals (V8 foreheadschmack)

it didn't wanna seem to take the first post... too long .. yadax3..
so i cut it up into 3's..
finished.. came bak... first post here in entirety.. so the rest is sweep up.. sorry hon :)

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nobody said...

Hey Pen, PG is Veritas6464 who apart from being unable to settle on a single call sign has come over all shy it seems and removed his two (oh wait, three) comments. The first was a rather ugly bit of ad hominem on me, none of which was connected to the front page, and the second was... how would you describe the second PG? If I was being uncharitable I'd have called it a suck-up except for the narky backhander attempting to be a joke at the end. Anyway they're both gone now and I couldn't be fagged dredging them up from gmail. PG, would I be right in imagining that you were tired and emotional, Bob Hawke style? Anyway I see that you're mollified by me mentioning Jews. I knew that you would be.

Hey Ferris, no problems. Paucity of convincing arguments aside, the idea of fake victims is one I wouldn't cast aside lightly. If nothing else, hats off to that bloke for going there. I read his pdf thing over again this morning and remain as unconvinced as I was yesterday. But that doesn't mean that his idea about the MSNBC (was it?) tribute page being spooked up is bullshit. It probably is spooked up. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

For those who don't understand what we're talking about, shame on you for not visiting Aangirfan. It's a big call but if I was on a desert island and could only visit one site, I reckon it'd have to be Aangirfan. Actually, I'd need two sites, Aangirfan's and this one. Honestly, those two sites and I have everything I need.

Onya Grassapelli! The best comment of the day. As a mad artist chick from Shandong I know once said, 'Buddha is like a superhero. When you are completely pure like he is bad guys can't attack you.' And never mind wishful thinking, I reckon she's right. And unicorns, sure. Me, I never met that guy neither. Still, I look forward to leaving all this behind and giving it my best shot. And please, no need for anyone to tell me about here and now. I get it.

Oh, and Pen, as for inspiration, it's me wondering at the power of Satanists. I can imagine it working without any actual magick (a la every other religion) but satanism isn't like every other religion and really the whole thing makes so much more sense if the magick is real. Somehow. Besides which it's Geoff Wells' fault. When he was writing he wrote a lot and really there's too much for me to point anyone at anything in particular. You'll just have to head over to rigint and scroll down to side bar entitled The Military-Occult Complex, ritual abuse/mind control, and "High Weirdness" and start reading. Me, I didn't finish it all because I'd had enough and besides I was getting too weirded out. Just reading about that stuff is creepy.

Hullo Kikz! Sorry mate, I have to run out the door. So I haven't had time to read your comment. I do want to though... Anyway, I'll come back after lunch have a read and clean up your deletes. Not GP's though. His can stay. For posterity, kind of thing.

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A Hellene said...

Hey, Nobby!

Welcome back to action, with yet another nice piece!

By the way, thank you for authorizing my latest response to another member for publishing, in the topic about the Jewishness of Freemasonry back in September, since the unusual delay for my message from submitting to posting actually fired a thought in my mind, according to which there could be a slight possibility for my piece never to see the light of day because of its unusual and heretic references --even to circumcision as "an indelible mark of religious ownership!"
(For anyone wondering, yes, I am blatantly advertising that piece of mine! :P)

I'll be back (as another unusual person used to say),
George, aka The Hellene ;)

Dave Q. said...

Hi nobody,

Great ideas. I'll have to read it once again to let it all wash over me, but I like the places it takes my mind. True, or no? Doesn't matter. It's a fine ride. I like the way your mind works.

Hope I made some sense.

bye-ciao,
Dave

Hei Hu Quan said...

Great post Nobody, top shelf observations as always. BTW, did you know that the author of the Exorcist William Peter Blatty's previous career was in military intelligence? He entered the United States Air Force in 1951, where he ultimately became the Policy Branch Chief of the USAF Psychological Warfare Division. Then in 1955, he signed up with the United States Information Agency, which is nothing more than an agency dedicated to PSYOPS and propaganda operations. Whilst in their service, Blatty was stationed in Beruit, Lebanon as an editor of the News Review until 1957.

When you mentioned the Paedeocracy, there is some context in the film the Exorcist which was produced in 1973. If you recall, the actress Linda Blair who played the 12 year-old demon-possessed Regan MacNeil was only 13 years-old at the time! Which if you unfortunately remember the scene of Regan's masturbation with a crucifix, it can accurately be described as on-screen child pornography. Worse yet is that the acting agency that represented Blair did not send her for the role. Instead her own mother personally shopped her about to Warner Brother's casting and William Friedkin. In comparison, the material was considered so disturbing that another young actress Denise Nickerson, who was under consideration, was removed straight away by her parents. Director John Boorman refused to direct it stating openly that it was "cruel towards children". Blair recalled that she was successfully able to disassociate herself with the character, Regan MacNeil, in dealing with the profane language and frightening activity.

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su said...

to me will summed it up perfectly
'row row row your boat, gently up the stream,
merrily, merrily, merrily life is
but a dream'.

and we are all dreamt.

nobody said...

It's the afternoon. Kikz - well there's me stumbling about, and then there's Professor K. Heady stuff mate. It reminds me of Angirfan's discussion of the holographic universe. It's all a bit beyond me but given the contradictions inherent in quantum physics I'd have to say, 'Um, why not?'. Otherwise I recall me blathering on about 'know thyself' a while back, and had I wanted to make a long article longer, that could be plugged into this.

Thanks anon, it's on the desktop and I'll have a read. Mind you, it's a lot more true believer-ish than we're used to in this neck of the woods. And all those nuns! Shudder! It reminded me of this pair of nuns who taught me when I was nine. Prior to teaching little kids they'd worked in women's prisons. They were built like brick shithouses and never mind me, my father was scared of them. Anyway I'll have a read. Unless my eyes glaze over of course...

Hellene! I'm so glad you popped in! I wanted to apologise to someone and couldn't remember if it was you or slozo or FB or Gallier. It was somebody I knew that. Furthermore in amongst it all I couldn't remember what post it went to. There is an explanation for it all though. It seems blogger has it's own 'spam' division/page/thingy. Unless you actually click on it and go there there's no way of knowing that there's anything in there. So there I am thinking 'spam? what the hell is this?' and lo and behold that's where the missing posts went. God knows why but it's all sorted now and I'm glad you found it. Not least because I can have a read now. It's on the desktop. I'm not sure about that Simon Shack though mate. He's the vicsims guy that I was talking to Ferris about yeah? Hmm... I don't know about him. I should look into him but he's all very video based yeah? What with being in a library, video is a bit of a problem for me. Anyway, I'm off to check Ferris' thing in a minute...

DaveQ, you get it mate. It's just a desultory wander. Follow this trail, follow that trail, see where we go.

Hey Hei, Bravo. I had a bit of a read about director, author, and star, and I wondered if there might be any of those spooky connections but I didn't look hard enough obviously. It all stands to reason doesn't it. The first thing that had me wondering was the fact that the Catholics in this movie are all Jesuits, the people for whom the word 'jesuitical' was invented. Happily I was educated (in high school) by priests that were quite possibly the polar opposite of the Jesuits. I shan't name them because that would be far too big a giveaway.

As for Blatty, have you heard about his flick The Ninth Configuration? It's sounds like the MKULTRA flick. I'd love to see it but I think it's almost impossible to find.

And as for The Exorcist, if we run with the idea that thought/belief acts as a summoning spell, then what role is played by the movie itself? 1973 is good timing - the Stones and Sympathy for the Devil, the OTO, Charlie Manson and all those other Programmed To Kill serial killers, Rosemary's Baby, and sure, The Exorcist. Hardly anyone had heard of demons and possession before the exorcist lobbed up. And suddenly their heads are full of it and R rating or no, there's a whole generation of teenagers dreaming nightmares of the devil.

Remember me saying just now I quit reading over at Geoff Wells? Well there you are. The gig was: I didn't like where it was taking my head. If reading the Necronomicon summons demons, that doesn't necessarily mean that reading of the Necronomicon will have no effect. After getting a daily dose of Wells' spooky gear I felt as it there was weirdness going on and I had to get off. Nothing actually happened and it could well have been entirely in my head but either way I had to stop. So I did.

nobody said...

PS. Kikz - the reason you got those warning pages (and thus multiply posted) is because of blogger's propensity for assigning long addresses to the comment page. It's bloody stupid - they provide the address path and then they say it's too long. I mention it at the top of this very page but it's easy to get tricked into falling for it.

Su, I do hate it when you're always right. Which is pretty often, know that I think about it...

PG What do you want mate? You seem to be on a roller coaster that goes up and down depending on what other people think of you. I'm half loathe to reply to you because we'll be in amongst another blizzard of you, you, you. God spare us.

As for dropping you from the blog thingy, I don't know if you've noticed but names go up and down there all the time. You actually got a pretty good trot what with me leaving you in there: in spite of your being utterly one-note; in spite of you being one step away from being a caps-lock-key screamer; and in spite of your piece before last being a scattergun screed against, well, who knows? People guilty of insufficient fist-shaking against the Jews it seems. Was it about me? Who could tell? And yeah, now you're gone. But what did you expect mate?

If the brief today had been Get yourself blitzed from nobody's blog thingy you really couldn't have done a better job. You nailed it. Congrats. And now you're pissed off. Make your fucking mind up mate.

Of course, the other angle is: Who the fuck am I? Why do you think I'm worth it? I'm just a fucking teacup mate with you hellbent on having a storm in me. Geez, shades of the Apple Onion.

If you want to calm down and stop being such a shit-flinging attention seeker, you're perfectly welcome to pop in here, otherwise mate, just spare us.

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gallier2 said...

I do not remember where, but I read an interesting article explaining in detail that the Exorcist is about paedophilia and ritual abuse. So exactly in the middle of the paedophocracy. The overlaid demon possession theme is only there to make it less obvious as the movie wouldn't have been financed otherwise. I'm at the work here so I cannot apply all my google-fu to find that article.
If I have a little bit of time this week-end I will tell you a little anecdote concerning masonery and sexual abuse rituals. It's a little bit complicated because it concerns people that are near to me.

aferrismoon said...

Cheers .

The thing for me about the wierd photos and odd comments and names is that they're done so sloppily, [ if they've been 'done'] Mind you the whole operation/investigation is so full of holes I guess its just par for the course, or that 'they' just dismiss our intelligence, or don't care.

Some of the legacies are worth a read only for their ridiculous [ to me] nature. I posted one about a Dominican in NY who kept a fighting-cock in his flat which cock-a-doodled at sunrise. he then puts the cock in a cupboard telling it that it'll bring the police round. The legacy then ends by telling us that a few weeks before the attacks he killed it!?!?

If nothing else read that one [at CNN] - Manuel DeJesus Molina

Na Zdar [ Czech phrase]

A. Peasant said...

well nobs, i'm glad to see you are posting again.

and what a comment thread.

the prize for me was getting to gallier's term: google-fu.

Strawman said...

Another great one. Investigating the 'good, the bad, and the uglies' myself. Found this http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk over at 'Exploring Reality Tunnels'. Very helpful and highly interesting. Might put another spin on the girl's noggin.

Hei Hu Quan said...

Greetings Nobody, yes I have heard of Blatty's the Ninth Configuration based upon his novel "Twinkle, Twinkle, Killer Kane". I had also heard ruminations that it had to do with MKULTRA and here's the thing, Blatty was definitely in military intelligence at the height of MKULTRA operations. His expertise seems to have been in PSYOPS and perception manipulation, and the likelihood of him being at the nexus of mind control ops is a reasonable conjecture. All of Blatty's works have semi-autobiographical parts incorporated within them, and the research I compiled and presented was based upon known and confessed information. However there were a few uncorroborated bits of information on Blatty's background I discovered, that indicated that may have possibly been directly involved in mind control projects. I did not include this as I run clean investigations, based on fact and not rumour or unsubstantiated hearsay.

As for obtaining a copy of the film, I've sussed that out for you Nobody, and you can pick it up here: The Ninth Configuration DVD

Veritas6464, thanks for your magnanimous words.

Cheers.

slozo said...

Hei Hu Quan - your stellar research has confirmed for me what I suspected in the first place for a movie like the Exorcist:

Disinfo propaganda fear-instilling bullshit.

It really is amazing that you bring up the child porn angle in the filming of the movie, and it saddens me at the same time. How come we as the public can let something like that go unchallenged? Did it go unchallenged? What a clever ruse to hide some child porn, get it into a horror flick that shocks and awes . . . an oldie but goodie.

We accept so much nastiness, more and more each generation, often taking something in that ten years earlier would have been verboten. Our senses, perceptions, boundaries and acceptance levels are deadened, peeled back and lightly sauteed daily in a heavy batter of propaganda.

sigh.

Depressing, because one can only fight back against a certain amount, and some is bound to trickle in.

I truly think the spirits - especially bad spirits - thing is a total disinfo thing, Nobody . . . it satisfies all the requirements needed by the PTB to be a solid tool in conditioning, inducing fear quickly and easily, and allowing one to believe more easily as well in things unknown and unexplained.

nobody said...

Ha ha! I wasn't the only person to read google-fu and be impressed. Bravo Gallier, I vote that neologism of the year. And otherwise hats off all those who've filled in the gaps on The Exorcist. There's me viewing it from one angle (on account of that being the strand my head was following) but sure enough there are others, and each more sinister than the one preceding, ha ha.

It's all so obvious now that I think about it. Why was the girl's father absent? Furthermore the girl's behaviour precisely resembles an incest/abuse victim. And then there's the doctors thinking of every goddamn (and unlikely) thing except for abuse. It never occurs to any of them. Also no mention of MPD/DID. I was also wondering about the really odd role played by the 'director' (he's the first chap thrown out the window). As I listened to Friedkin's commentary I waited for him to explain what his strange scene with the butler was all about but he never did. Hmm... seems I have to watch the bloody thing again.

Here's a thought - it's an outrageous one, sure, but whatever - Imagine you were a parent from McMartin, or the Presidio, or one of those uncountable other satanist paedophile infested child-minding centres and your child presented with Linda Blair's symptoms of profanity, masturbation, multiple personalities etc. and you knew of nothing beyond this flick, what would you do? A) Subject her to agonising brain scans, or B) Hand her over to the Jesuits? Because that's your lot says The Exorcist.

Otherwise, thanks AP. Did I tell you I've been grooving on your stuff too? Yours is the other site mate, maybe even edging out the dramatic hamster. And never mind the spooks, all that Paraguayan monkey business has been a top read. I'd have said so in your comments but after I go home, read, and then come back a day or two later it's all moved on. You do know how to make a dizzy chap dizzier (smiley winky thing).

Just a little PS on the link provided by the true-believer anon earlier. It seems that one should never listen to what demons say unless it's what you want to hear. Here's a question - why do demons confronted by Catholics talk about the Virgin Mary all the time? Or to put it another way, do the demons confronted by Hindus talk about the Virgin Mary? Cue bad Peter Sellers Indian accent: "For goodness sake, who is this Virgin Mary?" Somehow I doubt it. I suspect that they'd talk about Hindu gods and goddesses. I'm thinking that what the demons talk about says less about the demons than it does about the people they're talking to. Not forgetting of course that all they ever do is lie.

Thus I'm still inclined to view demons as non-denominational entities unconnected with any religion or belief system. Demons feature in sundry ancient religious books in the same way that donkeys do. It's just that no one ever mistook the donkeys for being part of the pantheon.

Also I can understand the temptation to dismiss the whole caper as just another psy-op, but demons have been around for way longer than Wild Bill Donovan. Mind you if the question was, 'Would the spooks who came after Donovan have taken advantage and piled in on this and every other bit of voodoo occult monkey business?' the answer would have to be, 'Absolutely.'

How about we declare The Exorcist truthful (more or less) but bullshit insofar as it represents an attempt at MKULTRA satanist wish fulfillment? That works doesn't it?

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PS Thanks Strawman. Interesting site. I've saved a bunch of pages to desktop and I'll read later.

slozo said...

I visited Strawman's site, and it had a vague familiarity about it. I stopped after reading the "Conpiracy Theories: the new religion" link.

Attempts to write off very quickly all conspiracy theories as unsupported attempts at assuaging some aberrant need for a different explanation. Apparently, anyone who believes in a conspiracy theory is not rational at all either.

Utter bunk, and total disinfo. Strawman either needs to brush up on his reading comprehension (who doesn't?), or he is a disinfo spreader.

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Aangirfan: I am not sure I appreciate how you dodged the question, mate . . . seems as if you are trying not to lose readership by your vague and useless answer. Yeah, we all know that belief in spirits is widespread . . . what do you think about it?

Understand aangirfan, I want to know this personally because I respect you as an internet info gatherer, and am generally interested in what makes you tick.

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kikz - as usual, totally emotion-driven, touchy-feely bunk, meant to try and hypnotise and mesmerise with confusing verbiage.

Utter disinfo.

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Pascendi - more disinfo. Cripes.

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Veritas - I think he might be misinfo, not disinfo . . . in that he really believes what he talks about. And yet, he shows every classic sign of a disinfo agent - cosy up conversationally to everyone of note on a blog, agree with and impart wisdoms, then divert conversations and try to shed "new light" on things to confuse, manipulate, etc (often just to cause strife). If a situation comes to a head (argument), return quickly to being a friend (never stand by convictions). Hang around endlessly.

Seems agenda driven, not truth driven. I think that's the key.

disinfo.

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Nobody - you are still solid, mate, even if you do choose to believe in a paradigm (the world of spirits/demons, some ethereal plane of existence) that was taught to us, and continues to be taught to us, by the PTB.

But your blog is full of disinfo peeps! ;)

veritas6464 said...

Hey Nobody,...Slozo; Ok, I get it, here’s the thing, piece-meal:

“cosy up conversationally to everyone of note on a blog”....Do I? I hope not.

“divert conversations and try to shed "new light" on things to confuse,” No, I have an opinion and I’m just stupid/arrogant enough to ‘sell’ my shit as if it’s real. I believe it. No scam there. Just dumb or boring I guess.

“If a situation comes to a head (argument), return quickly to being a friend (never stand by convictions).” No again, I am not a very confident person, yeah I know, Models that pose in their knickers are shy. You hear them all the time playing their role, oooh I’m sooo vulnerable. Me, however I have always had a problem interacting. I spent most of my time as a kid in the library at lunchtime; friends for me were like coins found in the street. If I ever realize or think, I have pissed one of them off, I always apologise, I just get embarrassed by people I upset, always have, no courage socially. Don’t however, make the mistake that I could not dismantle you in a pub-brawl. It might sometimes appear that I am desperate for acceptance; maybe, right up to the point I feel I am being exploited, then – look out!

“Seems agenda driven, not truth driven. I think that's the key.” I hope that’s not what the majority think. I really care, yet, I do seem to repeat a certain theme...Slozo, you and Nobody could do worse than to find yourselves cornered by thugs only to realize that I am the only person standing beside you. I believe I am fighting the good fight. Who cares?

“Hang around endlessly.” What, like pressing Nobody to respond, I’m more obsessive compulsive than given to lingering; the whole event went down in a day. So, yeah, that’s your spin slozo.

I don’t look, sound or appear to be one of the ‘good guys’; I never have; I wouldn’t know how to pull that ‘look’ off.

I apologise for my fuck-ups, and rarely do people forgive a person when they fuck-up; trust me I know. ‘Fuck-ups R Us’.

Slozo; When you look on my response, think: If you don’t know the truth when you see it: You just don’t know.

Thank you for taking the time to psychoanalyse many of the commenters here. I blushed when I saw the list of characters you unashamedly deconstructed. If it were just me in your sights; I would have been ashamed and humbled. That you included people I would not even notice to criticise: I am flabbergasted, anyhow, it’s your call.

I hope I have been of assistance, because had I not fucked up as bad as I FEEL I have with someone I respect as a thinker: I would have shut your arse down in two Pars; I have seen your comments on many Blogs and you are NO intellect slozo!

Nobby...

veritas/PG/whatever/what does it matter anyway.

kikz said...

slozo...
"
kikz - as usual, totally emotion-driven, touchy-feely bunk, meant to try and hypnotise and mesmerise with confusing verbiage.

Utter disinfo."


it's a confusing subject. i don't have all the answers... i can't confirm existence nor adequately explain origin, but i can use deductive/inductive reasoning to analyze behaviors (knowns) in an effort to gain more understanding of the aspects i don't.

i generally try to parse in spartan terms, and apply what universal laws i understand to the effort. i may be in error, or have holes in my logic path..... but, if you can't follow along i suggest you augment your studies, that is... if your reading comprehension is above a high school level? i'd suggest elementary electromagnetics and cymatics for physicalities and the kybalion as to the metaphysical/motivationally related aspects of the subj - all might prove advantageous and leave you less likely to spew ad hominem dismissive tripe. :)
and sloso, btw..
kiss my ass :)


one area i can see, in reread that could offer some confusion - the monopole issue..

in application of the universal law of duality of nature (pos/neg).. i meant to apply the known laws of physics to the daemon issue - evil can not exist w/o good. neither can exist w/o the other. if such an entity as a daemon exists, it must by universal law, have its counterpart somewhere w/in the confines of this universe. therefore, they are to be considered portions of a whole.

daemons could be analogous to 'man'ufactured monopoles, only able to exist under certain conditions for limited amounts of time.. i dunno..."?

daemons seemingly exercise high order 'complex will' to their advantage/preference, do they not?

in nature viruses exercise simple 'will' do they not?
particles physics states that particles can even reverse their spin; exercising some manner of alteration of themselves and/or their environ (although to what advantage, i have no idea)

micro/macro.. it's a matter of scale and degree.

to exercise will; to 'prefer' certain conditions and produce them, something must be consciously aware to some rudimentary degree and have the apparatus to interpret and manipulate its environment... or it can not exercise its will and effect its environ; in the case of higher order/higher conscious organisms - whether that be a biological imperative/survival (feed/fight/fuck) or simply a preferential wish, such as a drunk monkey who repeatedly seeks out fermented fruit or a tourists' alcoholic drink over non fermented foodstuffs....

so.. what advantage does a daemon/demon get/gain frm predation of humans? biological/preferential?

knocking on monitor......anybody?

*crickets*

slozo said...

Ha ha, fair enough, kikz . . . I laid into ya, so I suppose I'd have to expect getting called a high school drop-out. No worries, not an insult to me at all, nothing to learn whatsoever in high school anyways from what I remember.

I don't believe it is a confusing subject at all . . . it is simply presented that way very often by people like yourself. And I don't mean to say that in a 'superior' way, only that I think you aren't willing to look at specific occurrences, case by case, and report actual observations, and then by extension, hypotheses to explain those events.

Instead, you head right into the thick of the laid out theories and paradigms of thought in regards to spirits, following the yellow brick road. Unfortunately, that yellow brick road was laid by illuminati/masons/the PTB/shamans from days of yore.

I try to stick with not supposing anything at first when examining a sometimes "unexplainable by humans" phenomenon . . . and am not driven to think it's a spirit or god if I can't explain it.

Doing that, to me, smacks of assigning godhood to physical properties and laws of physics . . . much as our caveman ancestors continually did to soothe their fears of the unknown - whether it was lightning, gravity, aurora borealis, etc.

I do find it deeply ironic, kikz, that you deplore my apparent lack of scientific schooling, and yet revert to ignoring the scientific method completely (as most scientists these days have as well) when trying to problem solve.

kikz said...

slozo..

“I suppose I'd have to expect getting called a high school drop-out.”

your words not mine. I questioned your reading comprehension, not your graduation level as these days h.s. graduation does not guarantee that one has acquired proficiency in it.

“I think you aren't willing to look at specific occurrences,”

I’ve given no such indication, as no one has asked for specific occurrences or observations of such…
noby did ask for general observations and I rendered hypotheses on the subj matter in general. don’t bullshit me over semantics.I don’t see you discussing any specific occurrences or offering hypotheses on such.

“Instead, you head right into the thick of the laid out theories and paradigms of thought in regards to spirits, following the yellow brick road”

bullshit. my first comments question the possibility of their existence and how one might detect such entities IF,,, if they exist, which involved scientific methods for recording physical observations of ambient environmental factors; the visible light spectrum and audio spectrum, and/or either augmented/aided by technology (to detect frequencies of both below/beyond the visible and auditory abilities. do you have any other suggestions??? how else are we to observe and render opine, if not thru our sense organs? hmmmm?
if you consider the electromag light and auditory spectra hoodoo… that in and of itself speaks volumes on your dogmatic mindset. scientific observation can only carry us so far on this, and much can be learned by parsing anecdotal ‘non scientific’ sources. some of them, *gasp* Masonic in pedigree.

“…and am not driven to think it's a spirit or god if I can't explain it….smacks of assigning godhood”

quote me where I make this statement… you can’t – I didn’t.

I personally think you’re full of shit, and dismissive of events and related phenomena you can’t explain offering no alternate hypotheses, but glibly slapping mine down as hoodoo accusing me of acting as some disinfo agent.

and again I say.. kiss .. my… ass. 

I’ll leave you with the words of sweet will…
Horatio:
O day and night, but this is wondrous strange!
Hamlet:
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Strawman said...

Thanks to all. The link was just for an interesting read, not seeking converts.

Read it, or don't. Like it, or don't.

nobody said...

Hey Slozo,

Look, I know I'm bad but you're making me look saintly mate. Sure, the urge is always there to be calling people out but gee whiz, it's just a conversation, you know...

You talked about looking at actual cases and the veracity thereof (too lazy to scroll down and cut and paste) but the thing is that it's because of precisely such a process that I'm here wondering at it all. Speaking of "too lazy to", I'll admit that I was too lazy to put in all the links and take everyone step by step down the path I came to arrive at this, um... middle of the conversation.

But to a certain extent that's what this blog is - the middle of the conversation. I expect that clueless google drop-ins, if they bother to read at all (I can't tell from statcounter), would quickly be repelled because of that middle-of-the-conversation vibe that rules here.

But then again, I did give links and directions to Geoff Wells where, on account of posting daily, he has a big collection of bite-sized one-story-at-a-time, and is really compelling with it. And yep, me the nihilist and everything... And double-yep, I get it that Geoff Wells is questionable on several areas. He's not absent from the front page blog-thingy for nothing. But that notwithstanding...

Otherwise (changing tack now), my very first contribution at Smoking Mirrors was a spiel on the perils of peak oil. And somebody could have called me out as disinfo, sure, no worries. Except I wasn't, I was just wrong. In fact I've been so wrong, so often, and on so many things that I know declare that I never dismiss anything. Not unless Mark Regev said it, ha ha.

I know that there's an irony in me, as vicious deconstructing namer-and-shamer having a go at you for doing the same but gee whiz mate, it's all a bit "we had to destroy this village in order to save it". You know what I mean? Especially when it's my village!

Anyway, the main thing is: it's do as I say, not as I do. And that goes double for hypocrisy, ha!

nobody said...

Oh, and Strawman, I had a pretty good read of several pages at that site (although not the one Slozo mentions) and I gotta say mate, you're in some very dodgy territory there. The thing that's scary at that site is how much stuff there is there and how well-written and researched it all is.

In fact that site is so good, with so much data, that I'm kind of forced to choose between one of the following: either they're for real and everything I understand about the world is completely wrong (ie. the illuminati are the good guys here to save us all); orit's a very sophisticated psy-op featuring some pretty heavy hitters.

Amongst other bits and pieces, I read their Buddhism section and, er... wow, it's really something. All my niggles and problems with Buddhism distilled right there on the page. But next thing you know they're lauding Weishaupt and praising the French revolution, and yet completely failing to mention who funded Weishaupt with their numerous chateaux all magically untouched by the mobs. Yeah, right.

Just my opinion mate. Mind you, I'm tempted to go back there to see how their other stuff is spun. It's definitely interesting. Er... you haven't sent them your name and address have you? Sorry, if that you makes you roll your eyes - just asking, you know...

Anyway, it got me going and I may write a thing on it. Um... 'may' being the operative word...

slozo said...

Fair enough, Nobody . . . I know I ran into this one like a bull market in a depressed economy. And you are correct about everything else you describe, and certainly, I am not absent from any discussion about being on the wrong side of the argument in the past.

I shouldn't have included kikz, in retrospect, in my rant about potential disinfo agents on your site. Kikz has been very solid with commentary in the past, and it could have been that I, uh . . . confused kikz with somebody else who I had strong suspicions about. Mistaken memory.

Apologies to you kikz, and I thank you for your very level-headed replies. Says a lot about your character, actually.

Nobody, I'll try not to swing wildly too often, but it is difficult for me not to speak my mind. Just have to get a better grip of my memory, and all the names and monikers here before doing so. Unfortunately, you've just discovered that I am not perfect. I know, I know, you'll just have to live with it.

Strawman, however, will continue to get called a disinfo agent. Illuminati saving the world indeed! lol

Strawman said...

Thanks for the info. Let me say that I have read most of you guys for years and if one is linked to the other, chances are I read it.
Secondly, I rarely comment or link to anything on any of these blogs. If I bring something to your attention it is because I respect your opinions and look forward to reading what you all have to say about it. After all, it was first brought to my attention from yet another site linked through Visible. So, 'disinfo'? Another poster might have described it more accurately as 'misinfo' but again, it was submitted for review not conversion.

Strawman said...

"...either they're for real and everything I understand about the world is completely wrong (ie. the illuminati are the good guys here to save us all); orit's a very sophisticated psy-op featuring some pretty heavy hitters."

That's where I am on this. The original article linked was a discussion of the Old World Order and the NWO. From my limited reading comprehension, ahem, I took them to mean that all of the institutions, religions, zeitgeists we think of now are steadily marching us to this NWO when it seems that despite all the warnings the march continues unabated. Is there any organization out there offering up the possibility of a 'New' paradigm or are we constantly being led to cherish and preserve the institutions of the past several thousand years. Who has more to fear of something 'new'? The Church? Certainly. Their edifices are crumbling as it is what makes any of us think they will happily cede what they have built or the control they have?

Anyway, to wrap, the initial article outlined that we may be defining things in the wrong way, (by design) and that the elite will fight to preserve the 'Old' way. And it does seem so.

Again I look forward to any other input as the idea of the Illuminati (!) being a viable alternative flies against everything I thought I knew. Yet at the same time I recall a line going something like 'deceiving the very elect'. No one has 100% of the info we need. We take what we can from where we can.

As you say, it seems to be the work of some very organized people. They don't seem to need names or addresses at this point.

P2P said...

great post. I tried to read all the comments too, but got too tired since it's 4 am here and now. will finish reading them tomorrow, if my long term memory allows me to.

I highly recommend this book (it has a chapter on possession which is very, very interesting): http://alturl.com/dwd4m

the commenter named kikz seemed to had a mind very similar of mine on this subject. I personally believe these energy entities are enforced to exist by our thoughts, and this could explain a lot of the popular television programming on the subject. why? well, the more cards in the deck the more chaos you end up with. who loves chaos? well, satan does, or so I'm told.

'As a mad artist chick from Shandong I know once said, 'Buddha is like a superhero. When you are completely pure like he is bad guys can't attack you.'

for some reason, since I was a kid I've known this. could have been some tv show or a movie that has taught me that, even though I like to believe in the possibility of finding occult/hidden knowledge from within (the original philosophical method on my opinion still rules).

I have some examples of sharing space with something unphysical or barely physical, but am not that keen on sharing them here. also, I don't consider my senses to be such valid organs to really say anything true on the matter - and more importantly, I share your view with them entities not being such an important subject anyway.

except, in regards to satanism like you pointed out. I think satanism was a predecessor to group theory and all the PUA shit that's been going on around the internet for years now. almost ten years ago I studied the philosophy of satanism (being a firm atheist at the time I took all the writings on the matter from a philosophical perspective, which is not a rare approach among satanists either). the why and how of its magic really seems to go down to self suggestion. but, then again, generational satanists, in the MK paradigm, have most likely ended up just doing what they do in order to disturb the development of a child's contact to its soul. making a breed of pure machines, ready to be programmed for anything with no internal, divine, guiding principle. to stress my point, these people use satanism as a method of traumatizing others, and for reliving their own trauma in order to cope with it (making something horrible normal in ones behavior makes it ok, the human brain machine really has a logic of its own).

these are all my thoughts for now, tomorrow maybe more if I get to read all the above comments.

PS: I really love to see this stuff going on in the blogsphere. world needs people taking shit as seriously as that dear chipmunk.

nobody said...

Good Stuff.

P2P - I cleared out your blank posts mate. It wasn't your fault - your thing was not too long (um, said the showgirl to the bishop...), it's merely blogger assigning the comments section an address path that it (and it alone) seems to have trouble dealing with. Go figure.

Otherwise good comment. Can I just say I'll go either way on this one. Slozo, I definitely understand your scepticism mate. And P2P's description of satanism as a vehicle to assist in SRA / paedophilia is definitely possible. In fact it's what I used to think previously. And maybe I will again. And not forgetting of course that maybe it doesn't really matter which is the sacrament and which is the church. But let's not pursue that thought or I'll be deleting the article on the grounds it wasn't worth writing to begin with.

And Strawman, I can dig it mate. Just to make it clear, that site was quite convincing. It had me going. But on the same day I ploughed my way through those pages, also on the reading list was this. Did I get that off Aangirfan? I can't remember.

Anyway, speaking of two-men-say-they're-jesus, only one of those sites can be for real. And what with one of them seeming too good to be true, well... But! Like I said - it had me going.

nobody said...

Su said

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/10/lisbon-appeals-court-ruling.html#comments

different tangent. forgive me.
nobody - justice seems to be flowering in portugal -
england quakes.
nothing in british press whatsoever.
total silence.


word - expra

nobody said...

Hey Su,

You're really convinced the McCanns dunnit yeah? It's possible I guess. I just have a hard time with websites like sargeants, and that last one you sent me to, and this one, that... well, let's put it this way: rather than plough through their blizzard of who-sat-where and who-telephoned-whom-at-9.41pm, I just cut to the chase and do a search for mcgowan, pedophocracy, dutroux, belgium, jersey, casa pia, organised, rings ...I don't know, whatever I can think of that will indicate that they're discussing the topic in wide terms rather than a narrow blame-the-parents. You know what I mean? And if those terms aren't there, then I have to wonder at them.

Honestly, in the Dutroux case there were guys driving around in a white van photographing kids, and then upon an order being placed, kidnapping the specified child. This is not amateur hour. And whoever those guys were, they got away...

And never mind Dutroux's small time shit, I just did a big stint reading about Johnny Gosch (does everybody remember James Gannon/Jeff Guckert?okay, Gannon/Guckert is Gosch - MKULTRA from go to whoa) and according to Paul Bonacci that's precisely how Gosch was kidnapped - to order. Bonacci talked about over a thousand kids being kidnapped and all to deliver the umpty-umpt hundred virgins needed for big satanic ceremonies.

This goes on all the time and I'm just guessing (you have to, what with the police being completely uninterested in keeping records or otherwise doing anything about it) that organised to-order kidnapping like this probably comprises the vast majority of missing children. What number go missing in the US alone every year? Tens of thousands?

BTW. speaking of cops being uninterested, the cop in charge of searching for Johnny Gosch, and who was completely fucking useless, got done for... wait for it... attending paedophile parties where kids were handed around.

One more time - organised paedophilia is bigger than Ben Hur. I'm in deadly earnest when I say that in all likelihood every government in every Western country, national, state, and local, are effectivel run by paedophile satanists.

And if anyone wants to say that they know someone in government and they're definitely not a satanist paedophile, the key word is 'effectively'. 'Effectively' equals what we see over and over again - cases endlessly being stillborn, with those that do go live being subject to hardcore media disinfo campaigns, endless cover ups, dismissals on idiotic technical grounds, and finally, if worst comes to worse, minimal sentences, for the fewest people possible, and those usually escaping, getting let out early, or whacked in jail. Pretty much every case we ever read about was some variation of this.

In spite of this insane reality, I will concede that it is possible that the McCanns accidentally killed their daughter and successfully covered it up and in spite of not being part of any satanistic power structure reaching into the police, judiciary, media, and government, were able to flummox the official investigation, defeat the most hysterical media spotlight since the Lindhberg kidnapping, and walk away scot-free.

I'll further concede that in spite of organised satanist paedophilia running an internet disinfo campaign second only to Israel's megaphone, with them present at every alternative website (and those concerning Madeleine McCann a rock hard certainty), that in this case they could be right and that it was not them wot dunnit, it was in fact the McCanns.

That is possible.

But knowing what I know I just don't think it's very probable. You know what I mean?

nobody said...

PS Pop over to Kenny's Sideshow (particularly the comments, and particularly Greg Bacon's) for the astounding lowdown on Julian Assange, the guy who runs wikileaks. It knocked my socks off. Which was just as well since I'm wearing thongs (yeah, yeah, flip-flops, whatever). Gags aside, check it out, it's wild - Julian Assange as mind-control zombie.

And next time you see him on TV, watch really carefully. Honestly, he's a dead giveaway.

kikz said...

on the illumaniti...

some consider freemasonry and its various apendent bodies to be contained under the umbrella of the term..
i do not. nieither does the world lodge, which revoked the weishaupt/illumaniti's charter, along w/P2 in italy. can't quote the dates.. dig it up yourselves...

especially scot rite. while hellene has stated that frm its inception in the US, a large number of its founding council were of jewish extraction; my studies of it, some 9yrs now, under the influence of unc' al's lessons/M&D....i consider its core values to be unblemished by any such influences which permeate the worship of yahwey, although unc' al does express an overt affection for xtianity/J the C in those writings.

while i understand w/any large organization there will be differing factions/ideologies resident, i consider the scot rite and it predecessors and others of like mind as owed a debt of gratitude in that w/o their love of; liberty, free thought and stated ideal of self possessed/acknowledged freewill unchained by religious or political tyranny, our civilization would be much the poorer for it in many areas, science included. these were people who throughout the differing dark ages and inquisitions dared question the dual headed tyranny; rule by divine right of monarchy/papacy. if it had not been for these freethinking scientists and philosophers a large portion of humanity would still labor mentally and physically under the yoke of ignorance and serfdom.

in consideration of freemasonry’s stated ideals of personal freedom, morality and virtue w/o respect to religious affiliation; I have found no other system or institution philosophically strattling both secular and non, that allows for such a great degree of freedom unhindered by dogmatic demands of conformity of thought, creed & deed. as such I have judged it superior in its ideals and works to anything else I have yet to run across.

what other institutions have fought w/the monarchical throne and papal tiara for the unalienable rights of man?

and although not known to be among its membership, diterot was kindred spirit in mind,
as was t. jefferson.

“man will never be free until the last king is strangled w/the entrails of the last priest.”
d. diterot.

I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
t. Jefferson rotunda, Washington dc.

Greg Bacon said...

The British comedy troupe "Monty Python," does an excellent job of skewering mainstream religion in two of their movies, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," whose picture of gawd you have pasted into this blog and the other movie is: "The life of Brian," which is a take off on the life of JC back in those days.

The "Life of Brian' movie they had trouble finding a distributor, since they nearly all said it was too blasphemous.

Me, I thought it was funny as hell.

kikz said...

cripez.. spell chk..

illuminati.... eyeroll@@........ack~!

Dave Q. said...

Hi Nobody,

Some nice, heated discussion going on here, eh? Truly a "hot" topic, anyhow.

Having been formerly submerged in all things New Age, it would have once been easy for me (still can be, unfortunately) to think, "Maybe we create these entities with the energy of our minds, thus making them real, for all practical purposes." Whereas now, other than the obligatory "I honestly don't know for sure", I can just as easily ask myself if there is any relation to the concepts of 'mass hypnosis', or it's cousin 'mass hysteria'.

Just me thinking out loud, again.

bye-ciao,
Dave

p.s. This chap slozo is beginning to grow on me. No offense to anyone, as I enjoy everyone's comments. (pleased to make your acquaintance, sir)

A. Peasant said...

thanks nobs. (winky). i just wanted to toss in this link to the eyes for lies blogger, who has written about the McCann case, since it came up in this thread:

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2007/05/madeline-mccanns-parents.html

and more here:

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann

Penny said...

someone said the comments have gotten to lengthy, to that I will add, off topic.

Makes me a bit sad.

Anyway, James Randi. His mere mention made me laugh.
He is like Mark Regev, as full of himself and shit as anyone can posssibly be.

HHQ made some good points, as he always does about the exorcist and pedophelia.

I never thought of that movie that way. I will be honest, I disliked the move, it scared the crap out of me.
Saw it when I was younger, and admittedly always being more of the gentler sort,(no violence please, it is bad enough to read about it, but visually, I feel it is toxic for my brain) I turned away.
Freaked me right out, so I can honestly say, I never dwelled on it at all.
That said, it is a good point.

kikz said...

well, excuse me penn if i've been longwinded...

nobody said...

Hullo Kikz, since you're asking mate: the other entity that's, um... 'opposed' the kings and the papacy would be the Jewish money elite.

I've avoided discussing the Masons because I view it as one of those impossible riddles. Who the fuck knows what's going on? Not me. And no offence, but not you neither. I still think my general rule of Any secret organisation that isn't founded in a spirit of wickedness to begin with is bound to end up that way still holds water.

Besides which, when you told that Jews are permitted to join the Masons, my first instant thought was, 'Well that's them fucked'. Honestly, is it possible for Jews to join anything and not turn it into a vehicle for advancing Jewish interests? It's a bit like having two dogs and hoping they don't sniff each other's bums.

I'm sure there are good masons. Just as I'm sure there are good priests and there have been good kings and queens. And I'm sure their principles are laudible but the gap between what any given entity says it's on about and what it's actually on about is invariably sufficient for parking a fleet of 747's in. I actually used to believe that the US was a beacon of democracy. But what did I know? It was just a golem for the Jews. Never mind.

Thanks AP, I'll check it out. And Su, I didn't piss you off there did I? I should have said that I can imagine the McCanns being guilty but only within a Dutroux-like organised satanist paedophile ring. Them guilty on their own, with no connections to anybody (apart perhaps from other unconnected amateurs), I view as an absolute flat-out impossibility.

Dave Q! Sorry mate, I just figured out that you've stepped into the present. It's just a slight readjustment of my context kind of thing. You won't be surprised to know that there's at least one other Dave in here. As for Slozo, he's worth having around isn't he? Even though he's not the messiah and is just a very naughty boy, ha!

Speaking of Python, thanks Greg. I'm a huge fan and have seen both those flicks at least ten times. Always worth a mention though.

Yoga starts in ten minutes. Gotta go.

kikz said...

hey there noby,
"Hullo Kikz, since you're asking mate: the other entity that's, um... 'opposed' the kings and the papacy would be the Jewish money elite."

ok, but.. they weren't in it, even if only as a front.. for the rights of man. rights of jews maybe.. but we all know how dear we unrighteous goy are to the tribe.


"I've avoided discussing the Masons because I view it as one of those impossible riddles. Who the fuck knows what's going on? Not me. And no offence, but not you neither."

y, i thought i'd covered the corruption/subterfuge issues in mention of the differing factions w/in the institution. but, apparently not to your satisfaction. :)

when it comes down to it, no one really knows what lurks in the hearts of men, masonic or not.. other than possibly their creator.. if s/he exists :)

what i specifically referred to.. were the written lessons..pike's Morals & Dogma. as far as i can discern there is not trace of talmudic ideology/philo in them. but... like i did state, pike presents as overtly xtian for my tastes, therefore there is torah - as far as references frm the KJV-OT xtian biblical texts.


and to round my comments on the greater scope of the post.. someone mentioned; they are aware of the scope of the pedophelia monster's tentacles and its reach is global.. i too - just can't go there and stay w/out emotional injury.. too dark a place for me to inhabit and remain sane.

hope you enjoyed yoga class.. i'm a wanker w/o a wank.. for havin stopp'd goin years ago ;)

Penny said...

"well, excuse me penn if i've been longwinded..."

kikz,did I offend you? I certainly had no intention of doing so.
My comment was not directed towards anyone specifically just a general observation.

For this I must apologize.

I am sorry, and hope you accept?

A Hellene said...

I am sorry for my late response, Nobody. Anyway, do not worry about my delayed article in the other thread; I am happy it finally made it. On the second thoughts you have about “The September Clues,” the documentary of Simon Shack, I am simply suggesting you to watch it because I think that you will be surprised! It is a 469 MB DivX .AVI file with a decent picture (720x486) and you can get it here (do not open it online, though; save it to your disk); I am not sure though if it can be downloaded from a library connection...


Back, on track! Can we speak of pedophilia and sexual or ritual abuse of children without mentioning the roots of those practices? Well, this goes back in the place where everything begun. So, let's start with the Holocaust. Of course, not about the various alleged pseudo-Holocausts (tm) of the 20th century but about the real thing, the original Holocaust, a sacrifice of living infants the Israelites were offering to their malevolent god called Moloch.

The term "Holocaust" comes from the Greek noun ολοκαύτωμα, meaning "wholly burnt" from ολόκαυστον (όλος: whole + καυστός: burnt). By now, everyone must have already imagined what the fate of the infants would be... In a few words, in the middle of the first millennium BCE, firstborn children were sacrificed to Moloch by the Israelites in the Valley of Hinnom (Κοιλάδα του γιου του Εννώμ or Γέεννα, the Biblical place the damned go), south-east of Jerusalem. Moloch was represented as a huge bronze hollow statue with the head of a bull and a fire burning inside, coloring the statue in glowing red. They offered the firstborn infants to Moloch by placing them on the hands of the statue and by raising mechanically the hands to its mouth, the children fell into the fire burning in the red-hot belly of the statue where they were consumed by the flames alive, while the sickos before the Moloch were dancing ecstatic on the sounds of flutes and tambourines.

Many people believe that everything started with the Chaldean priests, those masters of deception coming form Hurr of Mesopotamia (Ουρ της Μεσοποταμίας), who fled to Canaan through Harran with one of them called Abraham striking first; the rest is history...

By the way, as the term "Satan" means the adversary, the term "Devil" comes from Latin: Diabolus, coming from Greek: Διάβολος meaning "accuser; slanderer; calumniator" from the verb διαβάλλειν, meaning “to slander” (δια: through, across + βάλλειν: to cast).
What do I think those terms, represent? Thoughts! By the creation of thoughts energy is created; energy that can affect some of the other people standing within the range of the one creating the thoughts. Furthermore, the intensification of the thoughts created results in more powerful and focused energy induced and, consequently, in best effectiveness on the targeting subjects. Happy thoughts excite happiness; terrible thoughts induce fear; terminal thoughts create hysteria; and so on... Last but not least, there is the magic of resonance: The sharper the focus on the precision and the accuracy of the created thoughts, the grater the amplitude of the resonating thoughts induced on the receiving side.

So, what is so difficult to understand about the oldest trick in the book, that massive scam called "religion"?

kikz said...

no penn,

no prob at all :)

no need to apologize :)

Dave Q. said...

Ah, Nobody..

You have me laughing again! I had no idea that adjusting to my time-traveling wouldn't be as simple for you as it is for me. (Must be all the Star Trek viewing in my youth)

But, yes; I've joined the present for the moment. Not to say I won't revisit older posts, which are terrific reading always. I've read quite a few of them a number of times each, as it is.

Glad you are back on the keyboard. I'm obviously not the only one who missed you.

bye-ciao,
DQ

kikz said...

mornin gang,

visited lash's site, to see what was new....
found some interesting hypothesis on archons.. which i guess could be construed as the daemons we've been yapping about..

lash, has some interesting hypotheses, concerning karma.. which apparently hasn't or doesn't... et al :) ha!

http://www.metahistory.org/Telestics/RiggedGame.php

i still hav many more questions.. guess i need to rerun thru his archon files...

john said...

Am I late again? Just thought I'd pop by to say that The Ninth Configuration Movie that Hei Hu Quan mentioned can also be seen on YouTube. The whole movie's there.

Oh and I also believe in all sorts of unusual things existing. Do I need to explain or get into an argument about it? Not really.