tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post4829730632831038360..comments2023-06-29T23:58:03.749+10:00Comments on church of nobody: The Redemption Machine - A Science Fiction Storynobodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-55742981939533997702009-05-07T21:17:00.000+10:002009-05-07T21:17:00.000+10:00And a highly accurate follow-on point from another...And a highly accurate follow-on point from another Doug (Plumb), nailing down both the religious nature of the "cult of science" that replaced religion as the belief system [i]du jour[/i] for all "rational" people in the wake of the "Enlightenment" AND the important management role played by their own elites atop various expert castes (or classes, if you will).<br /><br />For example, what's the standard methodology for dealing with ideas outside the realms of "accepted opinion"? Why, excommunication, of course.<br /><br />Followed by a righteously accurate suggestion that the [i]fait accompli[/i] nature of "intelligence" gathering will be applied here just as it is elsewhere.<br /><br />Mr. Plumb, I offer a virtual nod of assent and respect in your general direction.Miraculix (Doug)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-82030496452584994902009-05-07T12:18:00.000+10:002009-05-07T12:18:00.000+10:00A late rush! I did get good comments on this one d...A late rush! I did get good comments on this one didn't I? Anyway, you're all wrong because you didn't agree with me, and you're all right because what the hell would I know? Frankly I reckon the cynics are closest to the mark. Hopefully, by the time 'whatever this thing will be' arrives, I'll be on some God-forsaken island growing papaya and bananas.<br /><br />And Kikz, how quiet you've been. You all are well I hope?<br /><br />(Did you like me slipping into your local Southern patois there? I blend in like a native, me)nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-86090112573362237412009-05-07T05:11:00.000+10:002009-05-07T05:11:00.000+10:00I don't believe for a moment that they could ever ...I don't believe for a moment that they could ever build a machine that actually reads peoples minds. What they would do is build a machine, plug you into it and tell you what you are thinking- it would be pure fiction dictated by the needs of the private prisons and banker controlled courts. <br /><br />What you actually think would be irrelevant. <br /><br />The emerging scientific dictatorship has absolutely nothing to do with science. We know that from the existing popular scientific dogma: The buildings collapsed on 9/11 because of fuel fires; Mans carbon output is large enough to have a measureable affect on climate; The world is overpopulated; Oil comes from dead dinosoaurs. All this is nonsense and so is that machine.<br /><br />People will get plugged into the machine, accept what the machines says and think "I didn't know that was what I was thinking", just like they believe in global warming - its what the experts say.<br /><br />The experts become the gods and they create scientific dogma.Doug Plumbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398407489022244485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-58384138029962434502009-05-07T00:33:00.000+10:002009-05-07T00:33:00.000+10:00serendipity...
and speakin of what's in people's h...serendipity...<br />and speakin of what's in people's heads...<br /><br />interesting video 82 mins.. i found this am... :) <br />same kid who narrates zeitgeist.<br /><br />kymatica. or cymatica. form follows resonance/vibration.<br /><br /> <br />http://www.northernresistance<br />.info/video67.html<br /><br />just c/p...<br />sorry i don't know tiny url.<br /><br />love<br />k*kikzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647064395400783134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-6519045874474388072009-05-06T21:35:00.000+10:002009-05-06T21:35:00.000+10:00well it was most certainly an interesting read.
I...well it was most certainly an interesting read.<br /><br />It seems all agreed on that, but instead of sci-fi, I would call it a horror story.<br /><br />Others having access to your thoughts?<br /><br />Would that be after implanting them?<br /><br />How would or could the machine differentiate between a murder witnessed on tv, and a murder witnessed real time.<br />I am not entirely certain the brain can do that.<br />If the brain can't the machine can't.<br /><br />Just because people think about something, it doesn't mean it will ever come to fruition.<br />It may all be just a pleasant distraction? Or an angry thought as a release?<br /><br />But the loss of privacy in one's own mind is enough to call it a horror.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16834513101685995010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-70256101336277324412009-05-06T20:30:00.000+10:002009-05-06T20:30:00.000+10:00hey noby, all...
great article.. great comments.....hey noby, all...<br /><br />great article.. great comments..<br /><br />thought provoking!kikzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647064395400783134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-25576353854718453892009-05-04T11:31:00.000+10:002009-05-04T11:31:00.000+10:00This is cool. Good comments. I do get it that I wa...This is cool. Good comments. I do get it that I was dreaming but I'm inclined to think that it's worth doing occasionally if for no other reason than to cast reality into stark relief. 'Here's what we could have', versus 'Here's what we'll get.'<br /><br />Aside from all that, given that some variation of this machine will appear, and will do so under the auspices of motherfuckers, it's to be avoided, no mistake. Apart from dupes, anyone who encounters it will be doing so involuntarily. I figure if this happens, the same mindset is worth having, ie. there's no point fearing it. Motherfuckers are full of fear and they want us to be fearful too. Perhaps it makes them feel braver, kind of like how someone who's overweight feels better about themselves if they hang with the morbidly obese. Apart from not wishing to give them the satisfaction, fear, in and of itself, is completely worthless. But we all know that don't we?nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-89913461791766407332009-05-04T08:29:00.000+10:002009-05-04T08:29:00.000+10:00In a sense it's the ultimate surveillance technolo...In a sense it's the ultimate surveillance technology, and if it becomes widespread then, well, the two logical endstates are a terrifying dystopic police state or global oneness. Ownership is a big part of the issue (just as it is with CCTV nets: the same cameras that watch us watch the cops, but only if people who aren't cops are allowed to use them.) Attitude is another, equally crucial aspect: privacy becomes much less important if one loses shame, but it's only possible to lose shame in an atmosphere of social acceptance. <br /><br />And I don't care what anyone says, this was an excellent piece. I love science fiction (and have read Light of Other Days, in fact.)psychegramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11914887999856166297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-40213575385817571762009-05-04T00:56:00.000+10:002009-05-04T00:56:00.000+10:00The powers that be are doing everything in their p...The powers that be are doing everything in their power to ensure that any glimmer of new technology is carefully put under their supervision. If the new technology is very useful in controlling the population and thereby further ensures their place in power, then it will be taken wholesale, or even taken out of the public eye.<br /><br />There is nothing in the reality of today that suggests the future holds a different paradigm.<br /><br />Plus, I'm not keen on your device . . . but that's just my personal opinion on complete abdication of privacy. I think you would lose your sense of self. And obviously it would never be used as a tool of good, because it would never be in the control of good people. In fact, we'd never hear of it in all probability, it would be taken underground, as most instruments of overt control are already.<br /><br />Nice story though.slozonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-58859927319160605532009-05-03T20:48:00.000+10:002009-05-03T20:48:00.000+10:00Onya Mir, ya swine. Just ruin my whole daydream. J...<I>Onya Mir, ya swine. Just ruin my whole daydream. Just joking. You're right of course. The other thing I didn't mention in this piece was the idea that 'read' is one thing and 'write' is another. I'm talking in terms of permissions, if you know what I mean (read write execute). Between seeing what's in a head and planting stuff in there, one of them is WAY more useful to motherfuckers.</I>Oink, my good man. As for "read/write/execute", that's why technologies like this (and others already behind the veil) are funded: the monsters already have both "write" and "execute" functionality at the most mundane level of all: flesh.<br /><br />After all, what do the Pedophocracy ultimately produce, besides the traumatized flesh and damaged minds that are their favorite milieu? Pre-programmed foot soldiers, proven lieutenants and reliable mouthpieces, to cast a wide net. There's your write/execute "technology" right there. Not to mention delete, carraige return, and backspace. The only functionality they still lack is the operational "read" device. Hence my tragic level of cynicism on the subject, despite your excellent daydream... =)<br /><br /><I>As for visuals versus thoughts (of the 'conversation in your head' variety) I don't see why they won't crack those too. They're just more electro-magnetic impulses waiting to be decoded. And God knows they'll try!</I>In this case, they are literally placing a "magnifying glass" at a specific point in the physical mind by way of recognizing a raw data stream: visual signals. From what I've read of the finer points of the technology, much like everything else in the world of "modern" science, these guys are chasing butterflies with sledgehammers -- blindfolded.<br /><br />They may "crack" the basic neuro-chemical structures, which will allow a level of direct "observation", but it is only via pattern recognition and a well-managed sample database, that such data sets will be have any interpretive meaning. The human brain is a cognitive "matrix" of ever-adapting neuronal tissue operating at micro (and most likely macro) scales of complexity light years beyond our level of understanding or capability to observe.<br /><br />And here's the real laugher: it's not the only brain we've got, according to the scientists themselves. It's our bod's CPU, for certain, but there are subprocessing locations in at least two other sections of the body, the most obvious being the "gut" in gut instinct, nowadays referred to as the enteric mind. Odds are very good, based on existing research, that our human systems are not nearly as hierarchical (top-down) as we are led to believe by those who advocate/sell the whole top-down worldview.<br /><br />Tricky monkeys that we are, we've come up with ways to "predict" what will occur in Meatspace by harnessing statistics/numerology and rigorous observation, but for the most part all of modern science is merely an official accumulation of often politicized "best guesses" accumulated into a large, steaming pile and worshipped as one of the new religions of empirical empire alongside "economics". And revealed as such with the slightest amount of self-study beyond "accepted opinion".<br /><br />Sure, they'll keep right on trying so long as the filthy lucre continues to flow. But lacking a holistic view of the interaction of human and universe, I strongly suspect they'll never get beyond the most basic levels of observation. Of course, when coupled with the abilities of a trained and talented interlocutor and the knowledge of human behavior gleaned from the last century of "social science", this will probably be more than enough to gain a general sense of "good/bad" for their intents and purposes.<br /><br />And when any doubt remains, or the write functions are no longer operational, then they press the "execute" button.Miraculix (Doug)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-64750957336377791052009-05-03T09:49:00.000+10:002009-05-03T09:49:00.000+10:00Onya Mir, ya swine. Just ruin my whole daydream. J...Onya Mir, ya swine. Just ruin my whole daydream. Just joking. You're right of course. The other thing I didn't mention in this piece was the idea that 'read' is one thing and 'write' is another. I'm talking in terms of permissions, if you know what I mean (read write execute). Between seeing what's in a head and planting stuff in there, one of them is WAY more useful to motherfuckers.<br /><br />As for visuals versus thoughts (of the 'conversation in your head' variety) I don't see why they won't crack those too. They're just more electro-magnetic impulses waiting to be decoded. And God knows they'll try!nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-64573457953203362412009-05-02T23:52:00.000+10:002009-05-02T23:52:00.000+10:00Yes Shelf, me bad.Yes Shelf, me bad.the Silverfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09019227476380575638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-6225200985913805042009-05-02T21:52:00.000+10:002009-05-02T21:52:00.000+10:00I think the idea is brilliant. Thank you for start...I think the idea is brilliant. Thank you for starting my day with something optimistic. I love the idea of Redemption for all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-83017306449312166922009-05-02T19:31:00.000+10:002009-05-02T19:31:00.000+10:00As you so rightly imply, the crux of the bisquit i...As you so rightly imply, the crux of the bisquit is ownership. The highly compartmentalized world in which we live (not necessarily by our own choice) tends to swallow this sort of technology whole when it reaches the requisite level of function and utility, if not sooner. Yes, applications of this are coming, of that I also have no doubt. Peering into other's minds was a stated desire of the paymasters long before the Transistor Age, to identify the truly dangerous among us: those who harbor (or worse, implement and distribute) independent ideas espousing freedom from the embedded systems of control and coercion.<br /><br />My concerns on the matter lay sullen and restive in the shadow realm between "precrime" and all the possible "practical applications" of such a system in the ever-expanding modern Panopticon surrounding and immersing our very bodies in an alien sea of EMF. To wit, I studied electronic & microwave theory and trained on some of the world's scariest and most powerful comms technology some twenty years ago, so I am not speaking from a generalist position on this subject.<br /><br />As you so accurately state, for a device such as this to be used in a "selfless" manner, those who would control it must be operating from a just such a place -- and I'm laying strong odds right here and now that this will not be the case. As ever, the big question cuts right to the chase: how is this talented and creative crew of Japanese engineering and neuroscience types funding this little exploratory adventure into the wheelhouse of the human symbological apparatus?<br /><br />Naturally, all such research is done with an eye toward "commercial applications"; right up until the project disappears behind the veil, never to be seen (by the public) again. All because the monsters under the bed that we discuss in places like this ARE the ones ultimately behind the funding of the great bulk of contemporary "scientific discovery" and technological breakthrough, directly or indirectly.<br /><br />To visualize this next-generation "remote viewing" technology as the ultimate polygraph is surely an accurate take on the machines intended purpose, but so long as the industrial world remains in place -- haven of corporate lizards, blue blood and old money that it will always be at the uppermost echelon -- this scary machine will never be turned on its masters, except by competing masters. Yes, I said scary. Not for fear of having my innermost thoughts laid bare, but for the mental "rape" it will enable.<br /><br />I also have sincere doubts that said ability to capture and recognize streaming images sampled from the visual cortex will ever translate to recognizing the subtleties of more complex thoughts/states. But the monsters sure to be operating said "truth seeker" won't be looking for subtleties or complexity. They'll be just another compartmentalized set of twisted lieutenants in lab jackets recording red light/green light auto-indications like "dangerous" or "subservient", based on sample databases and pattern recognition, all the while carefully noting your phobias and insecurities for later conditioning sessions (as required).<br /><br />However, I am fond of the observation that revealing the steady stream of "impure" thoughts ebbing and flowing through our heads morning noon and night will demonstrate it as "standard background noise". What the "Mindvac 2000" will probably not be able to measure is the most important detail of all: context. Just as great oceans of data are meaningless without conceptual tools to allow "mining" for patterns, I suspect measuring states of mind will be fruitless beyond establishing basic templates that represent emotional states. Linked to decades of behavioral understanding gleaned from the "social sciences"? Scary.<br /><br />So, as much as I would like to see this technology set free to become a twenty-first century Bodhi Tree, it is the act of freeing it that I most strongly suspect is the real "no-go". For that is a violation of "intellectual property" and patent law, the very noose at the end of the great corporate rope slowly strangling our diverse and creative species.<br /><br />As for observing the accelerating rate of technological change (a non-linear phenomena akin to compound interest ha ha), I've had my eyes wide open since I figured out what made my first record player tick at the tender age of four. We are always sold the "benefits". Only the cranks, iconoclasts and Luddites are concerned about the obvious and potential repercussions. Socially speaking, we are just as marginal a group as we ever were, but at least we still have the "sanctity" of our skull.<br /><br />Though if we are to believe the most credible of the V2K-afflicted, and tech stories like these, apparently not for much longer.Miraculix (Doug)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-79228904068260983612009-05-02T17:21:00.000+10:002009-05-02T17:21:00.000+10:00Well I'm glad YOU liked it. Never mind that grumpy...Well I'm glad YOU liked it. Never mind that grumpy Silverfish. And yes, the smart money would avoid it. But I was in a good mood and went on a good mood trip, if you can dig it. Oh, two minutes left on the battery. Seems I spent too long at Craig Murray's.<br /><br />Ciao Ciao.nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-50717144289342694072009-05-02T16:58:00.000+10:002009-05-02T16:58:00.000+10:00Nobody,
Brilliantly written and inspirational.
How...Nobody,<br />Brilliantly written and inspirational.<br />However what would a redeemed humanity look like.<br />Is that not an oxymoron.<br />Once we realise we are not our thoughts and that these same ramblings and desires that appear to us are visited upon every aspect of consciousness then we are free.<br />Is that not the teaching of all spiritual masters.<br />Machines are always going to be open to misuse and for that reason I won't lend anyone a plug.susananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-41008629970601740362009-05-02T14:49:00.000+10:002009-05-02T14:49:00.000+10:00Not forgetting of course that this machine IS comi...Not forgetting of course that this machine IS coming. A machine that will plug into the mind and read it, I have pegged as an inevitability. The only questions will be, who gets it and what do they use it for?<br /><br />Actually I figure it will either be released and be as huge as I imagine it, or it will disppear and we'll never hear from it again. I can't imagine any middle ground that will make any sense.<br /><br />Yours aye, back on the shelf!nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5842308776616107900.post-15179424622185462472009-05-02T14:30:00.000+10:002009-05-02T14:30:00.000+10:00Ahh, pipe dreams, rainbows and goblins in the mist...Ahh, pipe dreams, rainbows and goblins in the mist, or perhaps it was fairies at the bottom of the garden. No matter, nice idea on paper. Science ficton storys are nice that way, read them, enjoy them and then put them back on the self.the Silverfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09019227476380575638noreply@blogger.com